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Tech Support & MOD
Oli Zombieweasel
FusionFall Name : Oli Zombieweasel Level : 36 Posts : 13322 Join date : 2011-11-19 Age : 28 FF Location : Aionios
| Subject: FusionFall Central Closed? Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:36 pm | |
| Yeah, when you go to the FFC site, all you can see is a video. I'm not sure whether this should be on the 'Announcements' topic or 'General Discussions' topic, but, just take a look for yourself. Ya know, this wouldn't have happened if the FFC mods didn't ban Wilttilt. Now, I don't know which is the longest running FF site, mine, X's, or the Fusion Modulation HQ. |
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Undead Brad
Undead Brad
FusionFall Name : The Cypher Level : 0 Posts : 3182 Join date : 2012-04-12 Age : 23 FF Location : The Abyss
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:38 pm | |
| yeah i heard people discussing about it and i was like WUT?!?!?!?!?! |
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Tech Support & MOD
Oli Zombieweasel
FusionFall Name : Oli Zombieweasel Level : 36 Posts : 13322 Join date : 2011-11-19 Age : 28 FF Location : Aionios
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:41 pm | |
| I've only been on FFC since November last year... |
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RETIRED Administrator
XLR8 147
FusionFall Name : XLR8 147 + IRON 147 Level : 36 Posts : 5882 Join date : 2010-08-21 Age : 28 FF Location : Sector V [Future :D]
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:49 pm | |
| Well this version of the XFF forum was created in 2010 and the previous versions were made in 2009. FFC isn't gone yet. I've noticed drops in visitors probably because of how FFC has been banning members like Wilttilt and Officer Second. Although I cannot officially confirm this is the reason, I'm just inferring. |
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Tech Support & MOD
Oli Zombieweasel
FusionFall Name : Oli Zombieweasel Level : 36 Posts : 13322 Join date : 2011-11-19 Age : 28 FF Location : Aionios
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:52 pm | |
| Hold on, Officer Second was on FFC?! I wonder if I'm been banned. Doubt it, no one bans De Zombieweasel AND LIVES!!! |
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hom
FusionFall Name : hom choi Level : 36 Posts : 3753 Join date : 2012-02-05 FF Location : home.
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:58 pm | |
| Might Troll it -Dolan face-
Peepules pls... |
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Officer Second
FusionFall Name : Officer Second Level : 35 Posts : 2069 Join date : 2012-06-23 Age : 26 FF Location : Orchid Bay (The Docks)
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:01 pm | |
| Ya I was banned. I'm glad Central is closed this forum is better anyway |
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Tentegen
FusionFall Name : Jazz "Mau" Taluring Level : 21 Posts : 6296 Join date : 2011-09-06 Age : 33 FF Location : Sustained Panic
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:26 am | |
| WHUT!? FFC IS GONE!?
Is it okay for me to feel joy at that news??
I didnt know you were banned from there Officer Second. I actually wanted for them to remove my account after they banned Wiltilt. It's messed up that the very day I go and break Rule 10 of the internet to check out their forum, They go and do the UNSPEAKABLE.
Removing the Project R thread and ruining the only hope of FusionFall's Redemption.
Who the heck do they think they are? A Blindfolded Angel with a God complex??? pfft. Dont make me laugh.... |
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Tech Support & MOD
Oli Zombieweasel
FusionFall Name : Oli Zombieweasel Level : 36 Posts : 13322 Join date : 2011-11-19 Age : 28 FF Location : Aionios
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:32 am | |
| Rex, you reminded me of a comment I saw on YT on Wilttilt's Project: R video. The comment was, and I quote:
"I like how the guys on FF Central banned the one person who could actually SAVE the game that the forum is based after."
And that's top comment! |
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Tentegen
FusionFall Name : Jazz "Mau" Taluring Level : 21 Posts : 6296 Join date : 2011-09-06 Age : 33 FF Location : Sustained Panic
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:48 am | |
| ............... Uh ah heh heh heh.... Was uh, the user's name Vicieron by the way? |
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Officer
Officer Second
FusionFall Name : Officer Second Level : 35 Posts : 2069 Join date : 2012-06-23 Age : 26 FF Location : Orchid Bay (The Docks)
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:49 am | |
| Ty how were you banned? I know you were temporarily banned for "throwing a tantrum" but i never knew you got permanetly banned? explain |
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Tentegen
FusionFall Name : Jazz "Mau" Taluring Level : 21 Posts : 6296 Join date : 2011-09-06 Age : 33 FF Location : Sustained Panic
| Subject: Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:49 am | |
| One, Don't ever believe those pathetic poor excuses for mods there Second. I saw the post that he made and even posted in the thread before they removed it.
Two, Ty did NOT throw a "tantrum". He kept it classy while thowing in what he felt while he was at it. They removed it about a minute after I read it and posted a message. I don't know of this ridiculous excuse that they decided to post explaining Ty's so called Tantrum but you don't do something so blatently low as to take off an important thread like that. |
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Officer
Officer Second
FusionFall Name : Officer Second Level : 35 Posts : 2069 Join date : 2012-06-23 Age : 26 FF Location : Orchid Bay (The Docks)
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:55 am | |
| In short FFC suks. Project R is a great idea and all but I feel people would abuse it. Lets face it there are a lot of jerks in FF. Take the pvp for example and the concept of betting items. People could easily rapid fire hack and steal your items. Like a new way of scamming. |
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Tech Support
Royal King
Level : 0 Posts : 535 Join date : 2012-05-20
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:10 am | |
| i've never been on FFC so i dont care but whenever i accisently go on it someones always mad about a mod doing something.There should be a new FFc |
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Tentegen
FusionFall Name : Jazz "Mau" Taluring Level : 21 Posts : 6296 Join date : 2011-09-06 Age : 33 FF Location : Sustained Panic
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:13 pm | |
| What do we need a new FFC for when we have sites like this, Fusion Modulation, Hint's and tips, and Tag Force???
Fusion Fall Central can move over. It's time for them to finally realize that users DON'T have to put up with their ## and we don't need them to have a place to go for a fansite.
They need us.
They need the traffic we create.
They forgot about that tidbit and thought that their users were slaves of their will. NOT! |
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Tech Support & MOD
Oli Zombieweasel
FusionFall Name : Oli Zombieweasel Level : 36 Posts : 13322 Join date : 2011-11-19 Age : 28 FF Location : Aionios
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:20 pm | |
| I'm happy you've mentioned my site...
And Rex, you're right. FFC deserved to be closed down. We are the only people left (That we know of) who can save communications around the CN Universe whenever that chat bug pops up. |
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RETIRED Administrator
XLR8 147
FusionFall Name : XLR8 147 + IRON 147 Level : 36 Posts : 5882 Join date : 2010-08-21 Age : 28 FF Location : Sector V [Future :D]
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:29 pm | |
| - Oliver Zombieweasel wrote:
- I'm happy you've mentioned my site...
Slowly comes into the scene and holds up a 20 foot tall sign with the Xtreme FusionFall logo. *cough* *cough* Undelos: 'Bad throat eh?' X: *Sharpens blades* 'Something like that....' |
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Undead Brad
Undead Brad
FusionFall Name : The Cypher Level : 0 Posts : 3182 Join date : 2012-04-12 Age : 23 FF Location : The Abyss
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:31 pm | |
| he said, "sites like THIS" |
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Undead Brad
Undead Brad
FusionFall Name : The Cypher Level : 0 Posts : 3182 Join date : 2012-04-12 Age : 23 FF Location : The Abyss
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:31 pm | |
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RETIRED Administrator
XLR8 147
FusionFall Name : XLR8 147 + IRON 147 Level : 36 Posts : 5882 Join date : 2010-08-21 Age : 28 FF Location : Sector V [Future :D]
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:34 pm | |
| - Undead Brad wrote:
- common sense
XFF still needs to be written.... Undead Brad...do you know what happens when you challenge a MOD..... Brad becomes Brad undead.... Be careful my friend. *Starts to walk away...* |
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Tech Support & MOD
Oli Zombieweasel
FusionFall Name : Oli Zombieweasel Level : 36 Posts : 13322 Join date : 2011-11-19 Age : 28 FF Location : Aionios
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:35 pm | |
| Yeah, but he also mention Fusion Modulation HQ, Hints n Tips and Tag Force. |
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Tentegen
FusionFall Name : Jazz "Mau" Taluring Level : 21 Posts : 6296 Join date : 2011-09-06 Age : 33 FF Location : Sustained Panic
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:35 pm | |
| - XLR8 147 wrote:
- Oliver Zombieweasel wrote:
- I'm happy you've mentioned my site...
Slowly comes into the scene and holds up a 20 foot tall sign with the Xtreme FusionFall logo. *cough* *cough* Undelos: 'Bad throat eh?' X: *Sharpens blades* 'Something like that....' I....I...meant Xtreme! don't hurt me. *run and hies behind The Hom* |
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RETIRED Administrator
XLR8 147
FusionFall Name : XLR8 147 + IRON 147 Level : 36 Posts : 5882 Join date : 2010-08-21 Age : 28 FF Location : Sector V [Future :D]
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:37 pm | |
| - Undelos wrote:
*run and hies behind The Hom* I was kidding. *Puts the toy swords away and goes to the corner, feeling sorry for what he inflicted on his friends....* Handshake? *Forgets to take off his Assassin's Creed wrist blades...* Oh dear....
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Undead Brad
Undead Brad
FusionFall Name : The Cypher Level : 0 Posts : 3182 Join date : 2012-04-12 Age : 23 FF Location : The Abyss
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:38 pm | |
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XLR8 147
FusionFall Name : XLR8 147 + IRON 147 Level : 36 Posts : 5882 Join date : 2010-08-21 Age : 28 FF Location : Sector V [Future :D]
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:41 pm | |
| - Undead Brad wrote:
- what could go wrong?
The most dangerous thing to say in cartoons.... apart from... HOM CHOI IS A ...... [removed for being against the laws of Hom] 'Hom why are you pointing that very sharp sword at me?' Hom: 'I want to show you how sharp it is.' X: 'Oh THAT'S ALRIGHT THEN' Hom: 'No one insults me and lives.' X: I think I got a papercut.... |
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Undead Brad
Undead Brad
FusionFall Name : The Cypher Level : 0 Posts : 3182 Join date : 2012-04-12 Age : 23 FF Location : The Abyss
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:43 pm | |
| CAN I SEE THE PURDY SWORD? *walks up to sword and eats it* YUM! thx for the snack bro |
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Tentegen
FusionFall Name : Jazz "Mau" Taluring Level : 21 Posts : 6296 Join date : 2011-09-06 Age : 33 FF Location : Sustained Panic
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:44 pm | |
| The indestructable bottomless pit strikes again |
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Undead Brad
Undead Brad
FusionFall Name : The Cypher Level : 0 Posts : 3182 Join date : 2012-04-12 Age : 23 FF Location : The Abyss
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:46 pm | |
| now im gonna call my Grim reaper, Alberto Le Carramello Di Brickshaw |
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hom
FusionFall Name : hom choi Level : 36 Posts : 3753 Join date : 2012-02-05 FF Location : home.
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:53 am | |
| -Walks on stage and a loud appluase comes form nowhere-
Hom: Uhh? K... ._. :n:
Hom: So guise whats goin awnn? Obeying my laws like usual? Mmmm X MMMM! |
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RETIRED Administrator
XLR8 147
FusionFall Name : XLR8 147 + IRON 147 Level : 36 Posts : 5882 Join date : 2010-08-21 Age : 28 FF Location : Sector V [Future :D]
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:43 pm | |
| Hom: *Gets on stage* 'You following my rules?' X and Undead Brad: *They look at Hom as they both execute their slow motion martial art kicks/movies* *They crash due to losing concentration.* Hom: 'Guys....' X and Brad: *Brad stabs X deeply in his shoulder while X cuts Brads left arm off* Hom: 'Guys.........' X and Brad: *Brad uses a chainsaw to remove X's blindfold with one hand* *X obliterates Brad's eyes with the power of his eye lights.* Hom: ' GUYS!' X and Brad: 'Yeah?' Hom: 'You're putting blood stains on my thrown....' X: 'That's Brad's blood...I don't leak blood just like that...' Brad: 'I think you'll find it's your blood' *smiles with his bloody teeth* Hom: 'You guys are so dead.' X: 'No, he's Undead and I'm 147 if you're referring to surnames.' Hom: *Lifts his arms up* *Lightning throws X and Brad through the concrete walls* Undelos: 'NOOO!!! Not another poor defenceless wall! OH THE BRUTALITY, HAVE SOME PITY!' Hom: 'There there. I'll just reassemble their atoms don't worry.' Undelos: OH OK Brad: *Gets up and is zombie looking...he's undead, what did you expect?* X: *Grabs Brad's face with one hand and throws him into a bin.* 'You guys realise this thread is about FusionFall Central being closed....right.' Hom: 'Sorry what, I wasn't listening; I was too busy annihilating a world that didn't believe in Le Hom.' 'DIE NON BELIEVERS.' INVADERS MUST DIE. |
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Officer Second
FusionFall Name : Officer Second Level : 35 Posts : 2069 Join date : 2012-06-23 Age : 26 FF Location : Orchid Bay (The Docks)
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:39 pm | |
| Does anyone actually know why central closed? |
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Oli Zombieweasel
FusionFall Name : Oli Zombieweasel Level : 36 Posts : 13322 Join date : 2011-11-19 Age : 28 FF Location : Aionios
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:42 pm | |
| I think it's because they don't believe Project: Revive would work. Those admins don't believe in anything good. |
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Officer Second
FusionFall Name : Officer Second Level : 35 Posts : 2069 Join date : 2012-06-23 Age : 26 FF Location : Orchid Bay (The Docks)
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:48 pm | |
| Honestly, the glove weapons and the hair saloon are the only things plausible about project R. |
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Tech Support & MOD
Oli Zombieweasel
FusionFall Name : Oli Zombieweasel Level : 36 Posts : 13322 Join date : 2011-11-19 Age : 28 FF Location : Aionios
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:56 pm | |
| I don't know... My ideas for having an Ed jacket and 'Story' and 'Quick Training' modes along with Aquazon's new characters and new areas ideas are pretty good. |
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Officer Second
FusionFall Name : Officer Second Level : 35 Posts : 2069 Join date : 2012-06-23 Age : 26 FF Location : Orchid Bay (The Docks)
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:59 pm | |
| Elaborate on your "Quick Training" idea. |
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XLR8 147
FusionFall Name : XLR8 147 + IRON 147 Level : 36 Posts : 5882 Join date : 2010-08-21 Age : 28 FF Location : Sector V [Future :D]
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:06 pm | |
| - Officer Second wrote:
- Honestly, the glove weapons and the hair saloon are the only things plausible about project R.
LOL. Most of your ideas were even more outlandish. xD! Apart from that 'Are you sure' concept which was simple but brilliant. Sure, scammer n00bs will try other tactics but it's much more secure that way that you described. |
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Oli Zombieweasel
FusionFall Name : Oli Zombieweasel Level : 36 Posts : 13322 Join date : 2011-11-19 Age : 28 FF Location : Aionios
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:07 pm | |
| - Officer Second wrote:
- Elaborate on your "Quick Training" idea.
Basically, 'Story' mode would be the old tutorial with the Future, and 'Quick Training' would be the Academy. You can choose which tutorial you want in Character Creation. You like?
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Officer Second
FusionFall Name : Officer Second Level : 35 Posts : 2069 Join date : 2012-06-23 Age : 26 FF Location : Orchid Bay (The Docks)
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:09 pm | |
| Hey I am outlandish. Its what I do. jk. So what of my ideas were outlandish? man thats a weird word |
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Officer Second
FusionFall Name : Officer Second Level : 35 Posts : 2069 Join date : 2012-06-23 Age : 26 FF Location : Orchid Bay (The Docks)
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:15 pm | |
| - Oliver Zombieweasel wrote:
- Officer Second wrote:
- Elaborate on your "Quick Training" idea.
Basically, 'Story' mode would be the old tutorial with the Future, and 'Quick Training' would be the Academy. You can choose which tutorial you want in Character Creation. You like? That would actually be a good idea, but with one snag. The worst decision CN ever made. Switching Fusion Fall to Unity web player. The academy is Unity and the future is ,well forgot what server Fusion Fall was back then but it was better than Unity. For your idea to happen CN must remake the entire future with Unity web player. |
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Tech Support & MOD
Oli Zombieweasel
FusionFall Name : Oli Zombieweasel Level : 36 Posts : 13322 Join date : 2011-11-19 Age : 28 FF Location : Aionios
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:20 pm | |
| Actually, if you caught up on FusionFall's history, it wasn't with unity in summer 2008, but switched to Unity after that summer, and it had the Future by the end of the year, and FusionFall was officially released in January 14th 2009.
The Future was deleted in 2011 during the expansion and was replaced by the Academy. They will have to rebuild the Future though, true. At least they kept Tech Square - The Future aka the old tutorial, but everything else needs rebuilding.
Or even easier, stop killing Fuse, he'd create the Future by himself. |
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Officer Second
FusionFall Name : Officer Second Level : 35 Posts : 2069 Join date : 2012-06-23 Age : 26 FF Location : Orchid Bay (The Docks)
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:24 pm | |
| Details -Brain Hurting- the point is Unity=Stupid |
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Undead Brad
Undead Brad
FusionFall Name : The Cypher Level : 0 Posts : 3182 Join date : 2012-04-12 Age : 23 FF Location : The Abyss
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:48 pm | |
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XLR8 147
FusionFall Name : XLR8 147 + IRON 147 Level : 36 Posts : 5882 Join date : 2010-08-21 Age : 28 FF Location : Sector V [Future :D]
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:52 pm | |
| - Officer Second wrote:
- Details -Brain Hurting- the point is Unity=Stupid
The Future and the previous tutorial were both with Unity although also with the previous plugin. Unity isn't bad but I hate when it crashes. Looking at the old non-Unity version of FusionFall, the graphics were worse but I'd really like to try it. The water looked cool and the gameplay seemed to be more fluid and smooth; although this may be due to the usage of clients or the fact there were less players at the time, etc. I'd certainly give it a try. I wonder if there's a way to play the old version again? Unfortunately I never played as I played FusionFall in 2009, when Unity was being used. |
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Tech Support & MOD
Oli Zombieweasel
FusionFall Name : Oli Zombieweasel Level : 36 Posts : 13322 Join date : 2011-11-19 Age : 28 FF Location : Aionios
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:57 pm | |
| I played in late 2008, when Unity was just being used.
Also, the old footage shows no toon shading, so far the only time Toon Shading has been turned off and nothing has outlines, if that makes sense.
Cause now, if you turn Toon Shading off, the only thing that are affected are either the Monkey Skyway Agent, some NPCs, some clothes or some Nanos. |
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RETIRED Administrator
XLR8 147
FusionFall Name : XLR8 147 + IRON 147 Level : 36 Posts : 5882 Join date : 2010-08-21 Age : 28 FF Location : Sector V [Future :D]
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:01 pm | |
| - Oliver Zombieweasel wrote:
Cause now, if you turn Toon Shading off, the only thing that are affected are either the Monkey Skyway Agent, some NPCs, some clothes or some Nanos. When you turn Too Shading OFF, does it actually go 3D again? It doesn't work for me, it STAYS Toon Shaded. It's been like that for months. |
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Undead Brad
Undead Brad
FusionFall Name : The Cypher Level : 0 Posts : 3182 Join date : 2012-04-12 Age : 23 FF Location : The Abyss
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:03 pm | |
| whenever i try changing my settings it always crashed on me |
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Tech Support & MOD
Oli Zombieweasel
FusionFall Name : Oli Zombieweasel Level : 36 Posts : 13322 Join date : 2011-11-19 Age : 28 FF Location : Aionios
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:04 pm | |
| - XLR8 147 wrote:
- Oliver Zombieweasel wrote:
Cause now, if you turn Toon Shading off, the only thing that are affected are either the Monkey Skyway Agent, some NPCs, some clothes or some Nanos. When you turn Too Shading OFF, does it actually go 3D again? It doesn't work for me, it STAYS Toon Shaded. It's been like that for months. Sometimes. For me, when I turn it off, only the Monkey Skyway Agent goes 3D. When you're flying with him. |
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Officer Second
FusionFall Name : Officer Second Level : 35 Posts : 2069 Join date : 2012-06-23 Age : 26 FF Location : Orchid Bay (The Docks)
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:51 pm | |
| Thumbs up if you hate the FFC mods |
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Undead Brad
Undead Brad
FusionFall Name : The Cypher Level : 0 Posts : 3182 Join date : 2012-04-12 Age : 23 FF Location : The Abyss
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:52 pm | |
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hom
FusionFall Name : hom choi Level : 36 Posts : 3753 Join date : 2012-02-05 FF Location : home.
| Subject: Re: FusionFall Central Closed? Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:55 pm | |
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