Who do you THINK will win? (Vote in the poll)

Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump. (Last three are corporate puppets. )



Who do you WANT to win? (Comment here)

Don't worry, I won't interrogate you and ask "have you learnt nothing from my
hundred page essays over the last several months???"

(....well, unless you want me to.    )

If I haven't provided enough evidence that Trump/Clinton/Johnson
are corrupt, BY NOW, I don't think I want to even try anymore...I wrote a lot and
there's even more dirt on them online that I probably can't post here
for decency reasons.

I used to think too many people hated Clinton for her to win
(well LOTS of people hate BOTH)
But I think Clinton will win
because I think the media's fear propaganda
"vote Clinton because Trump is like Hitler"
is actually working. :/

Unless a miraculous silent majority of Jill Stein voters
are more motivated to vote than Trump/Clinton voters.

This corrupt two party system pushed by the media, is an absolute scam.
"Only 18% of Americans and 27% of eligible voters turned out for the 2016 presidential primary."
(And that's even after millions couldn't vote in several states due to things like
ballot "shortages", dropped party registrations, etc.
Yet the media keeps deceiving us into falling for the two party narrative.

It all depends on how clever the American population is in
ignoring their corrupt media channels....and to be honest,
while I'm glad Bernie has woken people up (including me in a way)
I still don't think there's THAT many aware Americans.
From day one I could tell it was a pantomime with lying actors....yet
there are still people ignorant of the true nature of Trump/Clinton
and the likely collusion they're both in on. (As I've said before, they know each other
on a personal level).

Either way, good luck, U.S.
(And the world, since it's likely to have some global effect)

My prediction: Clinton will win by maybe 10%.
Thanks to the lying media which should be boycotted and go bankrupt
for what they've done, betraying the people with propaganda for money.
Without the media, Trump/Clinton would have failed spectacularly!

But I also predict third party/independent votes will be at an all time high.

My hope: that Dr. Jill Stein miraculously wins.
(BTW, even if she doesn't win, having even just 5% of the vote
would qualify her to higher national funding for next time, 
so it's still worth it either way)


Plot Twist: Hom Choi lands from the sky and counts
himself as the winner by 7 billion votes (seems legit Hom )

But anyway, if you are able to vote, I would 100%
recommend Jill Stein over any of the other 3, which are objectively
corrupt in different ways.

Seriously, if Bernie Sanders wasn't cheated by the media and rigging in the primaries,
Bernie would have WIPED THE FLOOR with Trump and Clinton combined.
Funny how the media admit Bernie was more favourable with the American people yet pretend
Hillary won fair and square....seems legit, media....lol. 
What an inconsistent thing to say. Just further proves rigging went on.

NOW CHOOSE!      


Clock's ticking.  
Hom save us if Jill Stein doesn't win. 
Save Iran, Clinton's obviously going to invade it for profit/oil/etc. 

Dear America:

Well guessed America got TRUMPED badum pssh! I totally lost hope for a sane election after Bernie left. I knew Trump was gonna win to be honest; Hillary was First Lady, a Senator, and Secretary of State, and she was struggling against a businessesman. It was obvious she was dead meat. Funny side note, the pics X posted were the first times I've seen Gary and Jill's faces.

I fell into a parallel universe! 



This is like Brexit.

Media: "vote this way, peasants!!"
Population: "nuh uh"

I wouldn't have voted EITHER of these two
(and I still think Trump is/will be restrained like a puppet)
but at least there's a tiny tiny glimmer of hope
that Trump won't invade Iran for example,
when we know Clinton would pounce!

I hope Jill Stein at least secured national funding
(requires 5% of the votes).

I wonder if Trump will stand down
if he turns into a puppet for war mongering
(since I don't think even he wants a reputation like that).

We'll wait and see.  

@Oliver, lol, that gif. 
Perfect reaction. 

@Ace, yeah, Bernie was cheated and then it became a race
between two corrupt right wing puppets.

That's the problem, many people haven't heard
of Jill Stein thanks to the corrupt media focusing on
the candidates they prefer. 

Oh well, Trump won. At least I'll be able to vote next election, so I'm hoping Trey Gowdy decides to run.

Brad....you like republicans like Gowdy??
They're all terrible, I guarantee it.
Democrats/republicans are puppet parties.
Bernie and Trump were not your typical democrat/republican.
(BOTH were independents running in mainstream parties, because the media deliberately ignores independents.)

I'm still hoping Trump will be better than we think but Bernie/Jill were the real ones in the race, those without dodgy agendas and without being beholden to corporate donors.
I don't know what you've been raised to think about republicans but they really do NOT care about you.

This election should be so ground breaking that everyone should vote independent next time (unless there's 100% proof the democrat party changes, but I'm not holding my breath).

The democrats and republicans generally have ruined America and international relations with all their wars, spying on their citizens, rigging elections, wasting tax money on building borders that don't work, rigging the economy to favour wall street, bankers and corporations, etc.
Most problems in the world are caused by corrupt politicians, not random causes.
Power = ability to make huge changes.
If there was no corruption, we wouldn't be having poverty, war, poor education, lack of opportunities, energy problems, lying media, etc.

Believe me, both major parties are deeply corrupt.

Brad, you are part of the younger generation, please don't throw away what younger people are bringing to the table (a political revolution, positive change, not more status quo establishment corrupt politics we've seen for decades).

It tended to be demographics of age 18-45 that voted Bernie over Hillary.
Older people (generally, with exceptions of course)
voted for more corrupt people like Clinton.
(But the democrat party rigged it to stop Bernie winning.)

Younger people are generally more internet savvy and research politics/candidates more thoroughly.

If you want me to explain anything about politics, let me know.
I've done a lot of research in UK/U.S. politics in the past couple of years.

I would be very disappointed in America if they made the same mistake going for corrupt candidates, but Trump over Clinton might be a tiny step in the correct direction since Clinton would have probably invaded Iran and baited a war with Russia with her no fly zone Syria policy.
Trump still is a wild card though, he's not an honest, corruption-free candidate...nowhere near.
He favours the oil industry and stuff but I hope he's at least not a puppet of the military-industrial complex and wallstreet and bankers.
Fingers crossed.

It's one of those elections where you kinda wish Obama scrapped the 22nd amendment and ran for a 3rd term and hopefully won. I don't care whether he was a good or bad president, at least he'd have a better chance at keeping Trump out. I was kind-of rooting for Hillary, but also for Bernie, but I knew that neither had much of a chance.

This is a billionaire who could say literally anything and America would cheer for him. Heck, he probably bought a lot of his votes. I've even heard that Hillary actually won by popular vote, but because of how flawed the US election system is, Trump still won. Like the Electoral College, etc.

This was never really about Trump or Hillary though. It was the fact that someone walked up onto that podium, spoke a lot of racist and s.exist (thank you, filter.   ) crud on the microphone, things that have no place in 21st-century society, I don't care where you're from, and America liked it.

Obama wasn't actually good either.
America has been plagued with terrible presidents
but I think some of their most decent ones
were people like Franklin D. Roosevelt,
Eisenhower, etc. but don't quote me on that
as I've only done minimal research....
I would have to research the entire presidencies of
each president to be certain....ain't no one got time for that! 

Well I'm not responsible for what Trump will do (I would have voted Bernie if he still ran, or Jill Stein if Bernie didn't)

but I think Clinton might have been worse than Clinton because she's a warmonger.
Trump hasn't indicated he's a warmonger yet (except perhaps the "why can't we use nukes?" question lol)

It's possible the offensive stuff Trump said, was just a way to get the media's attention or to gain votes from ignorant people to start off his voter base.

Although I think the media deliberately gave him
$2 BILLION worth of free air time because they thought he'd be a weak/scary opponent compared to Hillary....and also because the establishment doesn't want an honest person like Bernie to win, but doesn't mind people like Trump because they could be persuaded to do more corrupt things than they originally planned.
So watch out if Trump starts a war (that means he's a big time puppet)
but if not, then he's a smaller puppet, of a select number of sectors of the establishment, e.g. oil industry.

That Pence guy
(Trump's running mate/vice president)
I fear is even more corrupt than Trump....
He might trick/force/threaten Trump to do the bidding of wallstreet and the military industrial complex....let's hope Trump is at least better than that and either resigns or just takes down the most corrupt warmonger people around him before innocent people are at risk.

Can't say Trump's economics will be good for the U.S. as he's said he wants to "compete with China"
which I interpret as oppressing American workers like how Chinese workers are exploited by their government. (Low wages, poor conditions, sometimes poor product quality/safety due to less regulations, etc.)

Hopefully Trump was bluffing on his wall (HUGE WASTE OF MONEY and also xenophobic and unfair I would say)
and his other fascist policies.

Man, he's said he'd abolish the minimum wage....
America, you're doomed in that respect, but he did say he'd allow the minimum wage to be decided by state so hopefully your state has mercy lol!

But the world I THINK, is better off with Trump than Clinton, at least in terms of less chance of him starting a war.

Next time America, please vote in an honest person like Bernie/Jill.
Do your DARN RESEARCH people!!
(Lots of busy people seem to never get round to research...and just listen to the corporate media. :/)

XLR8 147 wrote:

Man, he's said he'd abolish the minimum wage....
America, you're doomed in that respect, but he did say he'd allow the minimum wage to be decided by state so hopefully your state has mercy lol!

This is precisely why you do not elect a rich guy to rule a country, they no nothing, if anything at all, of money (which seems ironic). Heck, Trump himself even said that his father gave him a "small loan of a million dollars". A small loan.[i] Thousands of people both here and the US struggle to even get past a few thousand! Abolishing the minimum wage would cause most of the country to perhaps fall into another depression because no one can really trust managers. They wouldn't even pay you at all if they were allowed.

Sure, maybe leaving the state to decide would be better, but how can we trust [i]that to work? Not everyone is as rich as you, Trumpy.

You can't just group up whole parties like that. Sure the parties aren't exactly great, but not everyone in there is a terrible human being.

Yes, I do support Gowdy because I believe he is a really good politician, regardless of whether or not he's Republican or Democrat. Gowdy knows the law by heart and doesn't mess around with ## lollygagging. If he wants a simple "yes" or "no" answer he will get on that person if they go, "Well...", "I don't...", etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1Mc6-RDyQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxpJvrclIfM
Here are such examples.

I also do think that Trump will not be that bad of a president. I believe that a very large majority of the people are overreacting too. Trump may not be perfect, but he isn't a complete idiot and buffoon that many media outlets would like you to believe by editing footage of Trump rallies and focusing only on the bad things that he says, which he then covers himself over. An example of this would be him saying, "I believe all immigrants should be deported... At least, those who are not legal." While at first he seems like an idiot, he makes up for it afterwards, but, the media outlets decide to cut out the "those who are not legal" part and only focus on the "all immigrants should be deported" part.

And if you're shocked as to why Trump won, here's a pretty good read about what happened: https://imgur.com/account/favorites/fVhb4


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@Oliver, yeah, he can't be trusted but he might have some left wing bones in his body.
I'll be looking carefully at his health care policy, whether it feeds the insurance companies like Obama's healthcare ("Obamacare")
or if he'll do something similar to single payer universal health care that Bernie Sanders/Jill Stein suggested.

@Brad, (apologies for the long post, but you still might find it useful, 
but you can just read it when you have time.)

 I'm not stereotyping, I know it sounds like it but it's just a fact that these two parties are systemically corrupt, which means even decent people fall into the trap (or have no choice, unless they find a new job).

An anonymous congressman admitted that congress was like a [inappropriate language] "casino".
He said it literally involved begging for money on the phone all day (or something like that).
Corporations sponsor corrupt parties and they make policies that help them, at everyone else's expense. These private parties are essentially like brands.
It's a business, and it shouldn't be.
Money should be taken out of politics, to stop conflicts of interest influencing policies.
Bernie/Jill are fighting for this.

Bernie is one of the few exceptions.
Democrat party is like 85% corrupt, republican party is like 99% corrupt and Gowdy surely isn't the 1%.
(Sorry if you disagree but look at his policies and see he's nothing special, bribed or brainwashed like the rest).

Most corrupt politicians are either nasty, apathetic (do not care, as long as paycheque comes)
or brainwashed themselves with subjective party ideology that was built from corporate agendas.

Not saying Gowdy is evil but he's no Bernie Sanders either.

How tough a politician seems is irrelevant, I know because I've seen how corrupt politicians use it against more honest ones.
E.g. 
UK corporate media: "Jeremy Corbyn is a weak leader, is anti Semitic, is a terrorist sympathiser, is a trotskyist, etc."

Evidence: zero.

The whole "tough leader" thing is just a way for lying politicians to act their way to victory.
Toughness is nothing if you're just doing the job for your rich mates for example.
At that high level, only intent matters.
Everyone at that level is competent and qualified and even have advisors, experts and public opinion to help them. 
The only thing that separates politicians is intent.
What do they want to do?

Why are there still wars, poverty, worker exploitation, lack of equal opportunities, hideously expensive medicine, etc.?
Because those in power have engineered the policies to benefit those with power....Corporations, banks, wallstreet, billionaires, etc.

These things would have disappeared long ago had they done things for the PEOPLE.
It's not incompetence AT ALL.
It's deliberate.

Politics isn't an art, it's a science in a way (hence political science)
so has logical reasoning on how to fix problems but politicians just don't want to, so they lie, make excuses, make scapegoats (e.g. "immigrants are the problem!" when it's actually governmental policies like privatisation of social services for profit rather than efficient honest funding).

Also explains why tax dodging legal loopholes are still open (you can easily just make a policy that is "you can only handle your taxes this way or this way, any other way is illegal").

Anyway, I know the media are regular liars but some of the Trump stuff is truly ridiculous even in unedited footage.
Building a wall is a massive waste of money, they've already tried that in the U.S. and it was fairly short yet wasted so much money and didn't work, EVEN if you did agree with stopping illegal immigrants which in my opinion, is a twisted idea because:

immigrants often have little choice, demonising them on top is cruel.
Also, immigrants are a scapegoat.
Jobs aren't "stolen" by immigrants.

This is how it works:

Outsourcing: corporations move their American (or other first world country) jobs abroad to poorer countries that have had their resources exploited already (e.g. Africa is rich in gold, oil, diamonds, a large labour work force, etc.)
yet imperialism and corporations have made it poor.

These poor country workers are desperate for work so jump at the [sweat shop, factory job, etc.]
corporation job.
They get paid terribly and work long hours/poor conditions and one day, enough is enough.
They move to a first world country.

When they're still illegal in the "rich" country,
they don't get taxed (that's admittedly probably true)
but they still suffer doing rubbish jobs with poor pay (possibly better pay than their old job but still terrible?)
and yet crazy people want them to pay taxes when some illegal immigrants are forced to work hard for $2 an hour or whatever their employees get away with.
Then if they become legal immigrants, they're in the same position as a lot of native people....working at McDonald's or something....minimum wage...so that's an improvement but it's not like they're stealing awesome jobs or whatever and it's not their fault either. They're just like us. Trodden on by the greedy elite.

This is an endless cycle of misery because corporations want even more profit....disgusting.

Same for refugees of war...we shouldn't stop them coming for safety but who is causing these wars?
Democrats and republicans.
Why is America so war thirsty?
Because "terrorists" ??
Nope, it's because it brings profit to the military industrial complex and the oil industry.
(Middle east getting destroyed for weapons trade profits and oil, the terrorists are in fact funded by shady organisations in America, Saudi Arabia, etc. business is business to these psychopaths.

I'm not that shocked Trump won,
the DNC and media collusion did this.

Media: "peasants, vote my woman, Clinton, otherwise you're against women's rights!! lol!!!"

Public: "HUH??"

Media: "Bernie is a communist"

Public: "seems legit? Nah, voting Bernie"

DNC: rigs democrat primaries to stop Bernie winning.

Media: (radio silence)

Public: "VOTER SUPPRESSION, BURN YOUR DNC CARD, NEVER CLINTON"

Media: "Trump is Hitler!"

Less informed public: votes Trump. (Out of propaganda or fear of Clinton the warmonger)

More informed public: votes Jill Stein since Bernie was cheated.

SUPER uninformed public: "Clinton Clinton Clinton! Trump is crazy!!!!!"

Trump barely won, % wise but the fairly even split just shows how uninformed the public was.
Like Brexit (almost 50/50 results)
the public (including me)
had little info to go on, about what would happen if Britain left the EU.
But the U.S. election had TONNES of information....
You can find so much dirt on Trump/Clinton,
who funds them, their actual policies, etc.
Just baffled how easily influenced by the media, people are.

The U.S. might have said "nah media, not voting Clinton, voting Trump or third party this time"

but they still listened to the media because Trump was pushed almost as much as Clinton and far more than Bernie (Bernie was often called a communist, too idealistic, "where you gonna find the money to find this free stuff"....ridiculous propaganda)

But yeah, I recommend just looking at Gowdy's policies.
He's not a total villain (has a FEW ok policies)
but no saint either.

Also recommend looking at independents like Jill Stein
and compare their policies and look up the pros and cons
from multiple sources and make up your mind like that.

You're probably busy but just saying that politics
should be looked at, at least once in a while
otherwise corrupt politicians will continue to exploit
the general political ignorance of the population, in order to
trick them into voting a certain way that's against OUR
interests and only really beneficial to the elite classes.
(Upper class, billionaires, corporations, banks, wallstreet, corporate media
and their donors, etc.)

Just saying you should start from scratch one day and
look at all sides of the political argument and figure out who's lying
and who's just wrong.

I don't know who recommended Gowdy but while
he's not the worst republican I've ever seen, he's not even
the best of the republicans (which are all terrible, EVEN the 1% that
are not so corrupt).

That's my advice.
I started from scratch, no biases, just
the need to find out what on Earth is causing
all these problems in our world.
The political compass/spectrum is also a good start
in understanding the basics of political science.

But the easiest way to start, might be watching speeches
by different peoplex e.g. Bernie, Jill, Trump, Clinton, etc.
and figuring out discrepancies.
(Not always useful though as smooth politicians often use
charisma to make it sound like they're right, but use your judgement.)

Wowza... so I didn't know this existed

honestly, I don't like her but I TOTALLY thought Clinton was going to win... I was pretty shocked with Trump..

I actually didn't start watching til like 11pm... I went on a casual date and drive with a guy I know (he was sick of politics and needed a break) so that was fun xD 

The crazy part is that there are still MILLIONS of votes not counted... it really doesn't make any sense... 

I'm not really devastated either way honestly... 
I'm a little sad that both the house and senate are republican (While I lean toward the republican side, I'm a big fan of checks and balances... so I wish that at least one of them was democratic... but *shrugs* hopefully the republicans will go back to hating trump and then we can have SOME kind of check and balance *sigh*)

That's all I will say about that...
what's done is done, I'm suprised, no i didn't go protest.

What really just makes me sad is the amount of hate in the world... EVERYWHERE... 
But in case anyone needs cheering up, watch this great video!

If You Need A Reason To Smile | Thomas Sanders:

Gloryangel wrote:

(While I lean toward the republican side, I'm a big fan of checks and balances... so I wish that at least one of them was democratic)

This is why I have faith Glory will one day find the truth
about politics.
But not today. (Or next week....or next month.... )

These two puppet parties should have gone down
long ago.
Only a small % of democrats are decent, 85% are corrupt (whether by choice or not, is a different matter)
and 99-100% of republicans are purely corrupt. (Probably most by choice, they knew what
they were getting themselves involved in...)

It's the reason Obama bombed the middle east.
Such an insane idea probably didn't ever
come across him until his corporate donors tapped
his shoulders and said
"let's invade another country for oil and weapons profits, shall we?"

Just like George W. Bush.
Although, I don't think Bush is even a decent person in real
life since he and his father have been involved in messed up stuff
over the decades. But George, please come here and correct me
if I've got you all wrong pal, eh?
Sincerely doubt I'm wrong.
I mean, in the 70s his father was director of the CIA for goodness sake.
The CIA is not trustworthy. Or at least systemically isn't.
Can't comment on individual agents I guess.